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428ho4spd
Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 7
1969 Model J Grand Prix
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject: Calling all '69 GP 428HO 4-Speed Owners!!! |
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Thought I would try this to start a registry for these rare 1969 GP's. Of the 112,486 Grand Prix's built in 1969, just 116 were optioned with the 390 horse 428HO engine and 4-speed manual transmission. Further breakdown of the 4-speed manual option were 94 wide ratio (M20) GP's and 22 close ratio (M21 with 3.90 rear gear) GP's. An even rarer 3-speed manual version was also produced with the 428HO engine with a total of only 3!!! If you have or know of one of these rare GP's, please reply! |
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69GrandPrixJ
Joined: 01 Sep 2011 Posts: 5
1969 Model J Grand Prix
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Calling all '69 GP 428HO 4-Speed Owners!!! |
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428ho4spd wrote: |
Thought I would try this to start a registry for these rare 1969 GP's. Of the 112,486 Grand Prix's built in 1969, just 116 were optioned with the 390 horse 428HO engine and 4-speed manual transmission. Further breakdown of the 4-speed manual option were 94 wide ratio (M20) GP's and 22 close ratio (M21 with 3.90 rear gear) GP's. An even rarer 3-speed manual version was also produced with the 428HO engine with a total of only 3!!! If you have or know of one of these rare GP's, please reply! |
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Larry Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: 4-Speed '69 GPs |
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Many years ago up in Wisconsin, a very well known GTO guy (Jack Urban) decided to "get into Grand Prixs'-- the 4-speed 1969s to be exact.
I think at that time (about 1980-'81) he had only found one of them. I remember another one he found that he said "he couldn't pass up." It wasn't a 4-speed, but it was a bright red one with Opera windows in the rear pillars. They were like those in the Mark Lincolns at the time, and looked really cool. More pimp than tough, but cool nonetheless.
Good luck gathering information on these rare GPs. We would be happy to create a special place for your information if you wish. If you get photos, we can make you a special Photo Album category also. _________________ PontiacRegistry.com... building the single largest source of Pontiac information, services, and entertainment in the world! |
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69GrandPrixJ
Joined: 01 Sep 2011 Posts: 5
1969 Model J Grand Prix
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: 4-Speed '69 GPs |
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Larry wrote: |
Many years ago up in Wisconsin, a very well known GTO guy (Jack Urban) decided to "get into Grand Prixs'-- the 4-speed 1969s to be exact.
I think at that time (about 1980-'81) he had only found one of them. I remember another one he found that he said "he couldn't pass up." It wasn't a 4-speed, but it was a bright red one with Opera windows in the rear pillars. They were like those in the Mark Lincolns at the time, and looked really cool. More pimp than tough, but cool nonetheless.
Good luck gathering information on these rare GPs. We would be happy to create a special place for your information if you wish. If you get photos, we can make you a special Photo Album category also. |
[quote="Roy") I have a 1969 GP model J 428 4bbl V8/ Hurst 4 speed /3.23 rear gear, that I've had since I was in Grade School. My cousins Kenyon's Central Garage,GMC/ Pontiac Dealership order it New! I was wondering how many of these cars were made??
Please let me know, if anybody has the answer!!!???[/quote] |
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Larry Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Are you looking for a further breakdown, because the above post states:
"just 116 were optioned with the 390 horse 428HO engine and 4-speed manual transmission. Further breakdown of the 4-speed manual option were 94 wide ratio (M20) GP's and 22 close ratio (M21 with 3.90 rear gear) GP's"
I'm guessing you were the head stud duck in grade school with your own '69 GP. I sure hope you weren't old enough to drive it though! Kidding; but would love hear the story behind this. _________________ PontiacRegistry.com... building the single largest source of Pontiac information, services, and entertainment in the world! |
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69GrandPrixJ
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Larry wrote: |
Are you looking for a further breakdown, because the above post states:
"just 116 were optioned with the 390 horse 428HO engine and 4-speed manual transmission. Further breakdown of the 4-speed manual option were 94 wide ratio (M20) GP's and 22 close ratio (M21 with 3.90 rear gear) GP's"
I'm guessing you were the head stud duck in grade school with your own '69 GP. I sure hope you weren't old enough to drive it though! Kidding; but would love hear the story behind this. |
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How about, High School, Lol My mistake!!! The mind goes first, but I still have my First Love..Me & My 69 GP!! What were the (M20) GP's? Were does the 3.23 Rears fall in? I tried 4.11 once, but had no top end, it would ony go about 110mph,(very quickly) before it tached out at 5 grand.
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Larry Site Admin
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: Low Gears |
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I'm glad to hear you weren't old enough to drive in grade school.
I had 4.11 gears in a '66 Fairlane GT I had while in the Air Force. Used to drive it from Wright-Paterson (Dayton, OH) to Milwaukee (435 miles). It was like driving a cement mixer down the road. Even with cheap gas, it was a drag on the wallet for a young GI.
I took them out and replaced with something in the 3.35 area. One night a buddy and I were pulling out of a little gas station where we used to go. It sat on a horrible curve of a blind corner. Just as we pulled out, a car shot around the corner at us. I instinctively floored it, naturally in first gear. We just sat there smoking the tires... damn near got broadsided. That was when I decided to part with the 4.11s.
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69GrandPrixJ
Joined: 01 Sep 2011 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Low Gears |
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Larry wrote: |
I'm glad to hear you weren't old enough to drive in grade school.
I had 4.11 gears in a '66 Fairlane GT I had while in the Air Force. Used to drive it from Wright-Paterson (Dayton, OH) to Milwaukee (435 miles). It was like driving a cement mixer down the road. Even with cheap gas, it was a drag on the wallet for a young GI.
I took them out and replaced with something in the 3.35 area. One night a buddy and I were pulling out of a little gas station where we used to go. It sat on a horrible curve of a blind corner. Just as we pulled out, a car shot around the corner at us. I instinctively floored it, naturally in first gear. We just sat there smoking the tires... damn near got broadsided. That was when I decided to part with the 4.11s.
Hope we can gather some more GP info. |
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Yea! I love my rear gears, when some one pulls up next to me on the street or expressway, I teach them a new trick! Lead sleds have Guts!! Drop a gear on the x-way to third, and hit 120mph now!! then throw it in 4th and say "See-Ya!!Lol I've been clocked@ 161mph!! I though the GP was gonna take off and FLY (if I had Wings) She might of!!! |
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428ho4spd
Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 7
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: 4-Speed '69 GPs |
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Larry wrote: |
Many years ago up in Wisconsin, a very well known GTO guy (Jack Urban) decided to "get into Grand Prixs'-- the 4-speed 1969s to be exact.
I think at that time (about 1980-'81) he had only found one of them. I remember another one he found that he said "he couldn't pass up." It wasn't a 4-speed, but it was a bright red one with Opera windows in the rear pillars. They were like those in the Mark Lincolns at the time, and looked really cool. More pimp than tough, but cool nonetheless.
Good luck gathering information on these rare GPs. We would be happy to create a special place for your information if you wish. If you get photos, we can make you a special Photo Album category also. |
Hi Larry, haven't visited the site in a while... I know of Jack, he's had some rare & low-mileage GP's in the past. My friend Jim actually owns the red "opera window" car that you spoke of. He had those windows removed last year and a new correct vinyl top put back on the car, what a difference that made! |
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428ho4spd
Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 7
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: 4-Speed '69 GPs |
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69GrandPrixJ wrote: |
[quote="Roy") I have a 1969 GP model J 428 4bbl V8/ Hurst 4 speed /3.23 rear gear, that I've had since I was in Grade School. My cousins Kenyon's Central Garage,GMC/ Pontiac Dealership order it New! I was wondering how many of these cars were made??
Please let me know, if anybody has the answer!!!??? |
Sounds like a great GP you have there! Does it have the standard or HO 428?
If the HO, the production numbers above would apply, if its the std 428... they built 302 of them with the wide ratio 4-speed which yours would be having the 3.23 rear gear. There's no breakdown between J and SJ unfortunately. |
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grandprix4sp
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 1
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:24 am Post subject: 69 GP 428HO 4SP |
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Just renewed my membership and saw the post. Recently finished a 6 year restoration on my 69 Model J. My dad ordered the car new from Borg Pontiac in Downers Grove, IL. Doesn't have many options other than 428HO and the M20 4 speed, no a/c and no power steering. _________________ |
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Larry Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:46 am Post subject: 4-Speed GP |
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No options other than "428HO and the M20 4 speed"? Heck, those are the two best options a GP could have!
Sounds like quite a labor of love. So lucky to have something your Father had bought new. I envy such stories.
Please check our Photo Gallery and be invited to post as many photos as you like of your GP so everyone can enjoy it too. Remember that you can invite your friends and family to access them also; you don't have to be a member to view them.
When you catch your breath after that long restoration, we would love to have you share your story in our On-Line Magazine as one of our monthly features. I would even offer you one of our "Pontiac Rules" T-shirts since you have one of Pontiac's best muscle engines. Check the ad in the lower right of our home page. Don't forget to remind me of the offer; I sometimes forget.
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