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kcc2008
Joined: 16 Jan 2009 Posts: 3 Location:
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: 1970 Firebird Trans Am help needed |
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Hello all.
I am new here and 2 Pontiac's and I really need some help!
I recently bought a 1970 Firebird that I am finishing cloning to a TA, mainly just in looks. {cant afford a real 70 T/A}. All of the T/A stuff came with car when I bought it.
I have been a gearhead my whole life, I have even done the unthinkable and remove B.O.P motors to run the all mighty SBC or BBC. I have since learned/got older and wiser Pontiac puts out more bang for the buck sorta say.
1} will 455 heads fit a 400?
2} do all pontiac 400 and 455 have distribitors in rear of motor?
3} is 1970 the only rear for this 12 bolt in my car or is it from something else?
4} will a 4 speed bellhousing from a 3.8 V-sick fit a 400 and be big enough to clear the flywheel? Basicly, are the 3.8 flywheel the same as 400? I know the answer if it was a chevy V8 and chevy V-sick.
5} are the fender verts differant from differant rears? I wanna make sure I have correct ones.
6} Can anyone give me a website to locate the #'s off my car? I am unsure what it origanly was.
Thanks in advance for all the help I hope to get.
A good friend will bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting in jail with you saying "damn that was fun"! _________________ |
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super
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Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 643 Location: Sullivan, Missouri
1974 Super Duty TransAm
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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1. Yes. The 455 head will work on the 400. What casting block and head are you planning to run?
2. The 400 and 455 distributor are located in the back of the block.
3. The 12-bolt was exclusively offered in the 1970 T/A. Other T/As after that received the 10-bolt rearend. The 8.5 is actually a very strong rearend for street applications.
4. What transmission are you planning to run behind your 400? With the torque a Pontiac engine makes, I would be very selective on a gearbox.
5. Not clear on your question.
6. I would send the VIN to Pontiac Historical Services (PHS) to get it documented. It is a small fee for the info you will receive on your Pontiac. |
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Larry Site Admin
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Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Posts: 4773
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: T/A Questions |
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Thanks to "Super" for sharing his vast T/A and high performance knowledge.
I think question #5 is a typo, and should be asking if the fender vents are the same from different years.
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kcc2008
Joined: 16 Jan 2009 Posts: 3 Location:
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Super,
Thanks for all that info. Its a big help.
The Block is a 1970 casting? Heads are 4x.? I believe.
So this rear end is from a trans am? Maybe my car isnt a clone and its a real T/A. That would be cool.
I have a munci out of a old camaro 70ish.? but I only have a sbc bell housings except for 1 I took off a 1979 Olds Starfire with a 3.8 in it. So that is why I was wonding the bell sizes. I wouldnt try that starfire 4 speed.
Yes, ?5 is a typo on my part. I was asking if fender vents where differant on differant years.
Also, I now know what PHS stands for. lol.
LArry, thanks for calling me on that typo. I still didnt catch it until you brought it up. Its kinda funny, cause I was thinking this "super" knows alot about pontiac's and to not know the fender vent ? was kinda strange. Oh well.
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super
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Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 643 Location: Sullivan, Missouri
1974 Super Duty TransAm
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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The 4X head is actually used a lot on Pontiacs. Got a fairly big combustion chamber, but that will work out with todays crappy fuel. I guess it was a very common head. I believe they were used on 1973 to 1974 400 and 455 engines.
The Muncie gearbox should work out pretty good behind the Pontiac. My buddy has always ran the Borgs-Warner Super T-10 with a lot of luck. He usually ran strong 455's with around 450 plus horsepower.
I would check out the casting numbers on the rearend. It is great you have the 12-bolt under your Pontiac. What gears are you running?
Wish I could help you out on the fender vents. Just don't know. I would think the 701/2 to 73 would definitely be the same. They probably work on other T/A years as well.
Good luck on your car. |
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calcruz
Joined: 27 Jan 2010 Posts: 3 Location:
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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All fenders and vents are the same from 70 to 82 except 70 has no holes for support bracket from fender to core support true 70 fenders with out holes bring lots of money the vents are all the same my 70 ta has one true 70 fender and one relacement fender have not been able find another 70 fender if yours has a 12 bolt rear end its a formula or a ta most likley 5th digit in vin will tell 6 is formula 8 is ta 70 ta vin reads 228780N or L N for norwood ohio L for van nays california _________________ |
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calcruz
Joined: 27 Jan 2010 Posts: 3 Location:
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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damn i screwad up its the 3rd digit not the 5th 1970 trans am reads 228870N the 3rd # 8 for ta 6 for formula 4 for espire 3 for standard soort coupe sorry if you like you can call me at 714 507 0840 my name john i have years researching 1970 trans am parts and numbers many parts are one year only and the drivetrain is like 1969 not 71 - 82 _________________ |
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